Friday, September 21, 2012

ARE PEOPLE BORN GAY? | Today’s Show Notes: 9/21/12




Vanessa’s baby David update
You might recall a year ago we got an email from a woman named Vanessa who decided not to kill her child after watching “180”. In case you don’t recall, here is the original email she sent in:

(From 10/11) “My Name is Vanessa – and a couple months ago while at Santa Monica Pier – A brother in Christ approached my brother and I while we were listening to another brother give the word on a speaker box. After speaking to us he gave us this DVD and at that point no one knew I was expecting. After seeing this video I made the solid decision to proceed and keep my baby - I have since went to live a maternity home for further help to help me be in a safe environment for myself and the baby. I have also showed my family the video as well. My family is happy and supporting. I am 22 weeks along now and trusting in God for my baby's life.”

Here is Baby David’s first photo she sent us a year ago…


Here is a new pic of Baby David studying one of Ray’s books…



Mark speaking engagement this Sun



Evidence Bible
“Simple assent to the gospel, divorced from a transforming commitment to the living Christ, is by biblical standards less than faith, and less than saving, and to elicit only assent of this kind would be to secure only false conversions.”  J.I. Packer


“Are people born gay?”
Ninety percent of gay men surveyed by The Advocate (a gay magazine) claimed to have been born gay.[i] I agree with them. Homosexuals are born that way. We are all born with a sinful nature. We all naturally lean toward sin. The Bible tells us, “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked.”[ii] Homosexuality is among the many sins people gravitate toward.
Some struggle with lying, gossip, jealousy, or stealing, and others homosexuality. Because a guy struggles with same-sex attraction doesn’t mean God made him gay anymore than a guy struggling with anger means God made him a murderer. You have a choice about what you do with every temptation.


(Email from Sadie) "I have an acquaintance who just got engaged to her same-sex partner. I found out over Facebook. Before this I did not know that she was homosexual. I would like to witness to her and her partner. What would be the best way?"

From the Evidence Bible:  Rather than offend homosexuals by directly confronting the issue of their sinful lifestyle, modern evangelism often tries to soften the approach by saying that "God hates the sin, but loves the sinner." This isn’t a new concept.

Charles Finney stated, "God is not angry merely against the sin abstracted from the sinner, but against the sinner himself. Some persons have labored hard to set up this ridiculous and absurd abstraction, and would fain make it appear that God is angry at sin, yet not at the sinner. He hates the theft, but loves the thief. He abhors adultery, but is pleased with the adulterer. Now this is supreme nonsense. The sin has no moral character apart from the sinner. The act is nothing apart from the actor. The very thing that God hates and disapproves is not the mere event—the thing done in distinction from the doer; but it is the doer himself. It grieves and displeases Him that a rational moral agent, under His government, should array himself against his own God and Father, against all that is right and just in the universe. This is the thing that offends God. The sinner himself is the direct and the only object of his anger."

So the Bible shows. God is angry with the wicked [Psalm 7:11], not with the abstract sin. If the wicked turn not, God will whet His sword—He has bent His bow and made it ready—not to shoot at the sin, but the sinner—the wicked man who has done the abominable thing. This is the only doctrine of either the Bible or of common sense on this subject" (The Guilt of Sin).

The biblical way to witness to a homosexual is not to argue with him about his lifestyle but to use the Law to bring the knowledge of sin. This will show him that he is guilty of breaking God’s holy Law, and he is damned not because of, but despite his sexual preference. The Law was made for homosexuals, as well as other lawbreakers. See Psalm 5:5 and 2 Peter 2:6–8 footnotes.


[i] Simon LeVay, Queer Science, (Cambridge: MIT Press, 1996), 6, as quoted in Mike Haley, 101 Frequently Asked Questions About Homosexuality, (Eugene: Harvest House, 2004), 82.
[ii] Jeremiah 17:9 (NKJV)